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    LeahH is offline Registered User
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    I would def extend his bedtime to 7.30pm if you can.

    What is his day time sleep like, morning and afternoon naps? Should be no more than 3 hrs in total.

    You need to work out what is an acceptable wake up time for you and your family. In most CIO methods, 6am is considered the goal.

    I would CIO at both 2am and 5am wakings and aim to get him up for the day at 6am. We took this approach with the 5am morning wake ups and now have ours sleeping through til 6.15am, he plays in his cot until 6.30/6.45am when we get him up.

    I nursed my son to sleep at night and for naps as well and ended up with random night wakings that needed a BF to assist him back to sleep. As soon as we did CIO (took 3 days, bub was 7.5 months) we wished we had done it sooner!

    At 14 months he's now a great sleeper from 7.30/45 to 6.15am now which is still early, but we can cope with it.

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    honestly, the average wake-up for little ones/young toddlers is 6 - 6:30am. Anything before is hard - at least for us as my son is then tired by 10:30am which then throws off the entire rest of the afernoon. We'll definitely take the 6:00am start! If he/she is up at 6am, then he/she is most likely well rested and ready start the day. I would just go with it......or try to put your child to bed later. ..

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    Thanks southside, carey and Leah for sharing your valuable thoughts! I had meant to respond earlier but the little guy fell ill on Friday and has only just recovered, more or less.

    I actually put him to bed on Thursday night determined to start the sleep training then. Instead of nursing him to sleep, I gave him his feed a little earlier so that he wouldn't fall asleep while nursing. Guess what - he cried half-heartedly for about 5minutes and went to sleep! He woke at around 2am but after briefly fussing on and off for 15 mins (I didn't go in because his crying wasn't full-on and I thought I'd hold out) he went back to sleep until 6.30am! Then when I went in to get him... I found he had a fever! Arghh! I felt really bad about it!

    Anyway to cut a long story short, I have continued putting him to bed awake and the last few nights he hardly cried before falling asleep. On all the nights (except last night) he woke briefly in the middle of the night but somehow soothed himself back to sleep and woke up for the day at 6am. Last night, he didn't wake in the middle of night (at least I did not hear him) but woke up at 5am instead. I did put him to bed a little earlier last night, though, so I may try to put him to bed at 7.30pm earliest as you guys have suggested and see if it works. Might try using CIO for a 5am wakeup too and see if he'll respond the same way your son did, Leah. With regard to falling asleep on his own at bedtime, I also thought, why didn't I do this earlier?!

    Having said all that... I wonder if it's just a coincidence because he was ill. He was better on Day 3 though, and it's been about 5 days now...

    In terms of daytime naps, he doesn't do more than 2 hours - 1.5 in the morning which is the reliable one and a max of 1/2 hour in the afternoon. Tried different times in the afternoon but every time, it only lasted 1/2 an hour. He seems to hold out quite well until about 7 or so, though. In answer to your question, southside, we go out everyday in the midday/afternoon for errands/lunches/playgroup/walks etc. I *think* he is sufficiently tired. Perhaps the key is that when he wakes up in the middle of the night, he needs to find himself in the same situation as that in which he fell asleep. If he fell asleep in my arms and woke up all alone in bed perhaps that prevents him from trying to go back to sleep on his own.

    I'll only know if this will keep up after he's back to 100% (he is nearly there)... I see that a new thread has been opened up on this topic, perhaps I should update over there!

    Thanks again!! xxxx

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    Quote Originally Posted by carey View Post
    Hi bumbeeno,
    We slept train our son with CIO when he was 7 month old.
    I meant to use a more middle of the road approach with checking. But he just got more upset when I went in. So, for the first few nights, my husband hid in his room to make sure he does not hurt himself because all the hard crying.

    ...

    Listening to his crying is tough. Good luck.
    Oh yeah... my son also gets a lot more upset when I go in and worse when I leave after that! I guess the gradual approach may not work with every kid. Although maybe I just have to tough it out with his crying. It IS hard... I always thought I was the strong one and that my husband was the one who couldn't bear the sobbing/screaming... But lately I realised I just couldn't listen to it. I have to keep telling myself it's for his own good and for the good of the family too...

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    absolutely - each child is different and responds to different sleep training methods. additionally, different parents have different thresholds for crying etc....

    like bumbeeno said above, i always tell myself it's for my son's own good that he is well rested and happy in the morning. If that means 3-4 nights of crying to work through the kinks, then so be it as the pay-off is huge when he does eventually put himself to sleep, sleeps throughout the night and wakes up cheery and happy. my son cried for 1.5 hours the first night of sleep training as per the advice of the sleep fairy and now he sleeps right through. it's just called tough love! :)

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    Groan. After several days of good sleep (for everyone!), my baby's gone back to waking up between 4-5am again. I managed to push his bedtime back to 7.30pm and he goes to sleep without needing to nurse and without even crying. I just put him in his cot after a pre-bedtime routine that I haven't budged from for the past week or so. For the past couple of nights when he woke up between 4-5am I didn't go in but he just cried for a long time and didn't soothe himself back to sleep (at least not for very long). He would pause for about 15 minutes and then cry again... and before you know it, it's time to get up for the day!

    Argh! I wonder if the timing of his last nap has anything to do with it. I am going to try to make sure he finishes his second nap before 3pm and see if that makes any difference. The last couple of days he took his naps after 3pm (albeit for only 1/2 an hour!).

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    Hi, I am wondering if your baby is sleeping too early. Perhaps you want to try a later sleep time and see how that works out? You can then slowly move it forward if you wish him to sleep longer?

    I understand that many babies just need 9 - 10 hours of sleep at night and he could be waking up because he has had enough? Just a thought ...

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    Mummies - check out this website - it tells you how much sleep your baby should get each day.

    Baby Sleep Patterns

    The trick is to look at the day over a 24 hour period and how much your baby sleeps over 24 hours. It is up to you how you want to break this up either 9 hours at night and a long nap during the day or 11/12 hours at night and a shorter naps during the day.

    Hang in there everyone - the best thing that you can teach your baby is how to sleep by themselves.

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