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BCG vaccine, yes or no?

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    HC, acutally, our pediatrican (local doctor here in HK) did tell us that the probability of TB transmission from one person to another depends on several factors, including the amount of infectious material expelled by a carrier (who must have active TB to be contagous), the proximity of the carrier to another person, the effectiveness of ventilation in the area, the duration of exposure, the health of the potentially exposed person and the virulence of the TB strain. He also told us that living in a less densly populated area of HK DOES decrease the liklihood of coming into close contact with an active carrier of the disease and thus decreases liklihood of infection. This is why I suggest that the mother should speak with her own doctors, to weigh the risks and benefits of getting/ not getting the vaccine as there really are factors that can be considered.
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    I think when people are talking about densely populated areas they are not talking about geographical areas but rather about the very poor who are crammed into small flats and cage homes, TB and similar diseases have always been more prevalent where there is poverty for obvious reasons.

    That being said, TB does exist in Asia and it's not a risk I'd take with my child when the disadvantages are so minimal. I probably wouldn't rely on a non HK based doctor for advice as there is absolutely no reason why they should be well informed on the risks of diseases in other areas of the world unless they are a recognised specialist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elle View Post
    HC, acutally, our pediatrican (local doctor here in HK) did tell us that the probability of TB transmission from one person to another depends on several factors, including the amount of infectious material expelled by a carrier (who must have active TB to be contagous), the proximity of the carrier to another person, the effectiveness of ventilation in the area, the duration of exposure, the health of the potentially exposed person and the virulence of the TB strain. He also told us that living in a less densly populated area of HK DOES decrease the liklihood of coming into close contact with an active carrier of the disease and thus decreases liklihood of infection. This is why I suggest that the mother should speak with her own doctors, to weigh the risks and benefits of getting/ not getting the vaccine as there really are factors that can be considered.
    All correct and no disagreement with any of the points you have made there. Your pediatrician gave you factual informtaion. I wonder, did this doctor actually tell you what s/he recommended? What did doctor do with his/her kids?

    Consider this : Busses, Minibusses, School Busses, trams, visit Ocean Park, visit Disney, go to School, go to Computer store, go to friends house, **** a friend, lick a friend, lick some toys, lick the dog....

    This is a disease that kills. Its not worth taking chances with it for the sake of convenience, saving a bit of money, saving a bit of pain or saving false-positive hassles if/when someone goes back to USA.

    Its a proven vaccine thats been available for decades with very minor drawbacks and issues.

    The choice should be obvious.

    PS: I've never licked a dog but I cant say the same for all of my kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howardcoombs View Post
    All correct and no disagreement with any of the points you have made there. Your pediatrician gave you factual informtaion. I wonder, did this doctor actually tell you what s/he recommended? What did doctor do with his/her kids?

    Consider this : Busses, Minibusses, School Busses, trams, visit Ocean Park, visit Disney, go to School, go to Computer store, go to friends house, **** a friend, lick a friend, lick some toys, lick the dog....
    Doctor recommended not getting it if we were returning to the US within 12 months and kid would not be using public transport and we would continue to live in the part of HK we live in. In fact, doctor intervened at hospital and kept the staff doctor from giving it to kid at birth. (BTW I'm not saying that our child does not have the vaccine, just that our doctor here did give us a full list of pros and cons and gave us as parents a choice)

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    HC - to be fair TB can be treated. It's not as if parents are signing up their kids for death row. It's an informed decision. Almost all diseases can kill if not treated in time and correctly.

    And before you start screaming at me - am not against BCG vaccination :)

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    I'm glad to hear you chose to vaccinate.

    I would strongly question the ethics and mental-health of a doctor who would recommend a kid be left without vaccination for 12 months in an environment known to have a specific deadly disease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miran View Post
    HC - to be fair TB can be treated. It's not as if parents are signing up their kids for death row. It's an informed decision. Almost all diseases can kill if not treated in time and correctly.
    And before you start screaming at me - am not against BCG vaccination :)
    Me, scream, never. Would I do such a thing :-)

    Ofcourse it can be treated, but why take the chance when the consequences can be so deadly, the side effect practically none and the disease so prevalent in Asia.

    I take a lot of calculated risks with myself as well as my family; on health related matters such as vaccinations, I just wouldnt.

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    restaurants, lifts/elevators, shopping centres, cinemas, hotels (anyone remember SARS?)...

    i live out in the country park, you can't get less densely populated than that in hk.... there is no way i wouldn't get my kids vaccinated, even though i'm originally from canada, where it isn't amongst the vaccs that we get/give....i don't live in canada. i live here. we travel here and to china, vietnam, thailand, philippines, malaysia etc....

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