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Acupunture for infertility ..need help

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    prag is offline Registered User
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    Thanks Charade.. you are wonderful. Yes Gianna from IMI is very famous here in HK.Expensive too!! I found out yesterday . Lets see. I might consider her.
    Thanks again dear :-)
    Quote Originally Posted by charade View Post
    I checked with my friend and the person she saw is Gianna from IMI, who she said was good. However, she couldn't remember the charges.

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    Hi prag
    I have seen Troy Sing for a few months but then stopped. He is pretty famous among the expat community. Whether he is good or not, I can't tell. He is expensive and his hours are rather limited which doesn't really for me as I have a full time job...

    a lot of people say acupuncture helps. I guess there is no harm trying!

    good luck

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    Dear tibbar2011,

    Thanks for your feedback on Troy Sing. Yes , I also feel that he is expensive and has very limited time.
    Just started seeing Dr CK Sum.
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    For anyone who is deciding whether to see Troy Sing for the first time or not for acupuncture treatment, please read....

    My personal experience with Troy Sing is unfortunately not great!
    I am not telling people not to see him at all as things may have changed now and of course, everyone's experience is different. I felt he did know his stuff. But if you decide to try him out, then I would highly recommend making sure you ask the right questions before you start treatments with him.

    The main questions I would ask are:

    What exactly will happen at each session and how long?
    (i.e. picture taken of tongue, measure blood flow with machine, taking pulse, the actual acupuncture)
    I was rushed in and out of rooms at times and sometimes I was left in rooms without being told how long I had to wait.

    Who will be performing the acupuncture every session?
    (i.e. will it be Troy Sing inserting the needles every time?)
    For my sessions, I had students inserting the needles without being supervised in the same room by Troy Sing after the first 2 sessions and it occurred to me after that they may not have been properly qualified to do it. If I'm paying for Troy Sing, I expect Troy Sing to do the treatment every time. I didn't even see or get a consultation with Troy Sing for a few sessions.

    How will they monitor progress and how often will they give you feedback on progress?
    For my sessions, I was given no feedback of progress or changes after 3 months. Whenever I tried asking, I was always given the same answer....can't tell until after 6 months of treatment. They did not tell me their diagnosis or where my imbalances were (like they always do when you see a Chinese TCM doc) despite taking pictures of my tongue, checking my pulse and measuring my blood flow every session.
    They did not really seem to alter the prescription herbs despite telling them I thought I was experiencing some negative side effects.

    The clinic was very busy when I went and it felt as if they were getting patients in and out as fast as possible. I don't mind that too much if they were able to give me some feedback each session, but to leave each session without being given any explanation even of what herbs and how they would help me does not seem worth the money.

    With the lack of feedback, no consultation received (apart from the 1st visit) and allowing students to perform the acupuncture treatment unsupervised, I stopped the expensive treatments.

    I see they have a new website now and they have separated consultation fees for herbal and acupuncture treatment.
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    I just signed up with GeoBaby as my wife got pregnant last Nov. This is the first few topics I clicked. I will share our experience since we also have acupuncture and infertility treatment recently.

    We visited our chinese doc regularly for the last few years for general health boost and stress relief. We are now his friends to go out for dinners as well as patients at his clinics.

    According to him, we could expect a reasonable chance despite all the odds. A few years back he said once its a non-sense to relate us to infertility unless there are hard evidence from modern medical check that my wife's body was unusal. But when we approached gynecologists for checkings and advice back in those years, we were told our age group was not to feel optimistic. During the process things were not going smooth and hopes were diminishing. Those scientific infertility treatments were very difficult to her and caused complications. By the time she was pregnant, we were already over 40.

    Chinese doctor said a good about-to-be mum should be red and rozy. Pulse should be stable and confident. My wife always suffers from alarmingly low blood pressure and very thin red blood counts. Annual body checks were showing some arming points that flag us to keep reviewing the next year and advise us to consult GP if deteriorate. Her long hour and very stressful job was also not helping her body to grow stronger. She was totally lacking those favourable body conditions from a chinese doctors perspective.

    We only started a targeted chinese doc treatment for a few months after our first IUI. We were skeptical about chinese medicines and doc while we have infertility treatments to avoid conflicts until our first IUI. That IUI attempt involved very high dosage of injections as gynecologist found my wife very weak in blood test reports. She was devastated both physically and mentally after that failed IUI. We brought this up to our chinese doc and he kind of put us on an intensive program. We took chinese medicines together with frequent acupuncture treatment. There were also some heat treatments and message treatments. I believe chinese medicines gave us an extra boost to turn her rosy. And her annual health check also shown some better than last year results. Just 3+ months into the chinese doc program our gynecologists says the conditions for a second IUI was right. Blood test results were so nice that our gynecologist was showing a good smile on his face there after. Our second IUI injection dosage was much smaller, we were told it was already enough for her at that body condition. We kind of abruptly stopped taking herbals, and then we were lucky. The role of those "indigenous" medicines in our case may be worth noting. May be its also the accumulated boost from our many chinese doc sessions during the last few years.

    One more thing I want to share is the prices quoted on line and in this thread are very high when comparing to mine. Although our annual spending with chinese doctor might be more than those figures mentioned here and we are paying concession rates as friends. Anyway our per session costs are significantly lower. Our targeted treatment does not cost us more than our usual session. Prescriptions cost quite some money but those are related to "indigenous" items we purchased from herbal shops. And I think chinese doctor sessions may need to be regular and be maintained for quite sometime to show their full potential in boosting one's body and the chances of pregnancy. Or may be its my wife's conditions were critical and complicated. We cannot tell for sure but just some tough experience to share with anyone that may find it useful.

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    I went to see Dr CK Sum for about a year before I got pregnant. We had been trying for almost 4 years. I had 1 failed IUI and 2 failed IVF's before becoming pregnant with the 3rd IVF. Dr. Sum is awesome. He does his acupuncture and moxibustion ALONGSIDE western treatments like IUI and IVF. They are time sync'ed. He and his team is sometimes more knowledgeable than the nurses at my fertility clinic (I was at Union Hospital, with Dr. Tung Hiu Fong). He knew my OB's style well, and even when Dr. Tung might tell me one thing Dr. Sum would tell me what he thought she REALLY meant. He's quite busy and need to book maybe a week in advance. He doesn't mind people calling him for advice anytime in between appointments. When I got pregnant he actually turned me away for wanting to see him for advice, and said just call him anytime with questions, because he didn't want to give me any meds during pregnancy anyway. =) Oh one thing I love is that his meds comes in powder form so just mix with hot water to drink. Awesome for me because I traveled a lot for work and hated having to check in bags due to liquid form meds all the time.
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    Hi there,
    Just saw this post. I am seeing CK Sum now and I like him. Cheaper than Troy and he is specialised in fertility. He has patients going through IUI and IVF. He is v busy and need to book 2 weeks in advance. GL x

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    Hi PooBear,
    May I ask if Dr Sum put needles in your belly? I just get nervous about it when I'm ttc but he said it's fine, even when I am doing IUI. Congrats on your pg, how old is your baby now? : )

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